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RE: Snow trouble. - 12/31/2007 2:39:43 PM    gsxrgessler   Posts: 8 Joined: 11/3/2007 Status: offline Jantiz, no insult taken here.  I'm always up to discover that I've overlooked the simple solutions!  The DSC light is on when I look at the gauge panel, I have to hold it for a second or two for it to come on.  I've tried the Mud selection, which is better, but it still isn't quite enough.  I think that if I could get front & rear lockers & shut off the DSC for deep snow, that would be the way to go. Snow tires aren't an option, I want to keep the Nittos on all year. Aside from snow, mud doesn't seem much better.  I was thinking about heading out to Moab sometime next summer & from the past trips I've done out there, I know that the lockers make a WORLD of difference. Thoughts? (in reply to Jantiz) Post #: 21

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/4/2008 7:14:28 PM    Jantiz Posts: 427 Joined: 2/2/2007 Status: offline Well, you have good tires on there and you're turning off the DSC and switching to mud n Ruts settings instead of snow setting for the deep stuff. By all accounts you should be making an easy time of the stuff. Without being present to see it its hard to make sugestions, of course. But the only thing I know that will stop a well prepared LR3 in the right setting is "bottoming out". Both in snow as in mud. No ammount of traction in the world will help you out if you are bottomed out. I have seen and experienced in person many situations off road where even modified rigs can not go where a stock LR3 (exept for tires) will go easily. Hope some of the other guys with more experience than me can help you out! _____________________________ 2006 LR3 HSE / 2004 Discovery II SE / NCLR Member (in reply to gsxrgessler) Post #: 22

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/5/2008 7:44:04 AM    Morioka   Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2008 Status: offline I have experienced the same problems in deep snow and I have to admit that Grass-Gravel-Snow mode is not the solution. Whenever the weels enter in deep snow the car stops and the engine craks down. I forgot to mention I have a FL2 with manual gear box. I have tried to strongly accelerate and release the clutch but w/o success but smell and smoke from the clutch. I switched to mud/ruts mode and I felt an improvement but not tremendous. Finnally I took the car out of the snow in general mode because this was the only mode in which the weels did not stoped and the engine cracked down. The next day I have tried the sand mode and the car was very responsive. Am I missing something? Please advise. Thanks (in reply to Jantiz) Post #: 23

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/6/2008 9:17:00 AM    drzjoint   Posts: 317 Joined: 1/5/2008 Status: offline i just put on the avons they are good in the snow and quite i am in northern mich and we get alot of snow and the roads suck all winter i have been impressed with them and they are the cheepist tire i could find to replace the crappy goodyears my dealer recomended them as well and that is what they replace them with he says the wear is good to new too tell _____________________________ 05 LR3 - 7 SE BLUE V8 aka "THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH" (in reply to Jantiz) Post #: 24

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/7/2008 9:54:06 AM    Jantiz Posts: 427 Joined: 2/2/2007 Status: offline Morioka, the GGS settings is a little mislabled and thus misleading. It is intended to be used in hard, well packed surfaces that can be expected to be extremely slipery such as an iced over road. It forces your tranny to start in 2nd gear when on high range, in 3rd gear when in low range and it makes the sensors at the wheels SUPER sensitive to wheel spin (loss of traction). It's basicaly designed to take a lot of the torque, that would normally cause you to loose control in extreme slipery conditions, out of the equation. So using GGS while off roading in the loose snow or rutted, pot holed snow covered trails is only an almost certain way to get yourself stuck. If you are a gear head like myself and loose sleep over needing to know how the diferent settings affect the way the many diferent systems behave in yout LR3, take the time to do the research. It has been well worth my time. The many different possible combinations of the HDC, DSC and the Terrain Response settings and how they work together are almost mind bugling but once you understand them and use them correctly, the LR3 can do almost anything you task it to do. The only show stopper I know for an LR3 is ground clearance and exit angle. _____________________________ 2006 LR3 HSE / 2004 Discovery II SE / NCLR Member (in reply to drzjoint) Post #: 25

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/7/2008 2:06:07 PM    Morioka   Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2008 Status: offline Thanks a lot Jantiz, "sensors at the wheels SUPER sensitive to wheel spin" means that the breaks are activated? And because of this the engine stops when in gear? Or because the system is taking a lot of the torque the engine craks down in case the wheel is just blocked in snow? This the thing I don't understand why the engine cracks down when pressing the accelarator and wheels stock in snow? Regards, M. (in reply to Jantiz) Post #: 26

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/8/2008 9:15:21 AM    Jantiz Posts: 427 Joined: 2/2/2007 Status: offline Choosing the GGS setting is telling the LR3 that you are driving on a hard packed surface while at great risk of loosing control of the vehicle. When it senses that one or more of your wheels is spining free, that translates into momentary loss of control of the vehicle and because you told it to be extremely unforgiving of tire spin by choosing GGS in the first place, it will respond to it by doing two things: Applying the ABS on the tire spining and taking away control of the gas pedal so the tire spin stops. This works wonders if you are loosing control of the LR3 trying to go around a curve on an iced over road but if you are off road on a snow covered trail, it translates into problems. Use mud and ruts instead for the conditions I described last and consider turning off the DSC. However, and I probably should have mentioned this before, Land Rovers WITHOUT the Heavy Duty package" use the DSC as part of their system to "mimic" lockers by looking for wheel spin, applying the ABS to that tire and re-directing torque to the rest. If you turn off DSC on a non- heavy Duty package equiped LR3, then you are basically turning off the "locker effect". Only LR3's with heavy duty package FULLY benefit from having the DSC turned off. There are always very specific exeptions to every rule but as a whole and for the sake of simplicity keep this in mind. _____________________________ 2006 LR3 HSE / 2004 Discovery II SE / NCLR Member (in reply to Morioka) Post #: 27

RE: Snow trouble. - 1/9/2008 1:39:53 PM    Morioka   Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2008 Status: offline Thank you very much for the explanations and advises. I'll take the car and do some "learning by doing" exercises to see how it reacts. Again, thanks and with your permision I'll take future oportunities to ask for your advise. Regards, M. (in reply to Jantiz) Post #: 28

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