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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 4:40:54 AM
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Landzu
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I am about to send my truck to airborne school! I have seen this question posted before, hopefully this might become a stickey and get into detail....
I have the ever popular and dreaded 13,14 and 16 codes. Took it to a mechanic (dealership) and they gave me an estimate (10k - smoking crack they are) and a list of things to fix. I replaced the 02 sensors (all four), both cats (a new system form AB), coil pack (s), belt (drive), plugs, wires and filters. Still have the problem and codes. grrrrrr.
It has the intermitent sputtering problem I hear all the cool rides are getting these days. Just driving along, minding my own buisness and poof, crappy responce, crappy accelaration, crappy sounds. Like the motor is under stress/load. I can give it gas and get hardly a reaction....so I will continue driving, as this usually happens in a buisy intersection, and suddenly....well, more like progressively, the problem will go away and respond as it should, untill I come to another stop sign or light.
Any ideas? Mike????
What did the estimate say they where going to fix?
Is your Disco a I or a II?
It almost sounds like sticking valves, not closing all the way or lifters. (Disco I)
Have you done a compression check?
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Discovery code name Romulus
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Classic Discovery,
RPi remapped ECU
NRP Preformance cats/Y-pipe
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 9:39:16 AM
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cplthomas
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They said:
new coil pack
new cats....causing o2 sensors to go bad
new belt (drive)
new instrument cluster
head gasket leaking fluid into cylinder
The crack heads wanted over 10k to fix it all. With help of here and some on-line shops I was able to do most of this work my self for under 800 bucks (including welding the cats).
It is a 96 disco 1 4.0. I was hoping the sea foam would losten the valves, if they are sticking. I really dont want to have to open this thing up if I dont have to.
No compression check yet.
I did check the spark on a whim today. I plugged the timing light to all the even number wires. I found the #2 to be firing slowely and #8 to be normal.
#2 was; click........click, click, click.........click,click..........click, click
#4 was a little faster, kind of click, click...click...click, click..
#8 was click,click,click,click,click
This only occured while the engine was in its funk. Otherwise they all fired fast. What does the coil plug into? Perhaps that is the culprit. I still havent ran the fuel down yet to try that.
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 1:13:06 PM
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cplthomas
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I also found the computer to be loose. The cover came right off and the computer wasn't even bolted in! Would a bad computer cause this problem?
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 2:38:04 PM
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If the ECU is messed up that could do it, After all it does control everything.
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 3:05:12 PM
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cplthomas
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I have been looking all over for a new ecu (I can only imagine the cost....) is the stealership the only place these can be had from?
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 3:21:19 PM
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Spike555
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Have you tried www.roverlandparts.com?
Before you buy a new one try some of the otherthings first, like your grounds, check the circuit board on the ECU for cracks.
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 4:01:18 PM
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Landzu
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How much coolant is the motor using?
Do you have coolant on the spark plugs fouling them?
How did they check for cracked heads with out pulling them, it may just need head gaskets.
Get the ECU put back in place and see if it helps.
You can get any ECU from a GEMS motor BUT you will have to have it coded to work in your Disco, the Dealer or someone that has the interface and software to do it, a Rover shop.
Do you have a Rover shop that can give a second opinion?
At this point a crank sensor is $40 from AB it couldn't hurt sometimes they don't go out all at once.
Does the exhaust have a odd smell? Coolant will do that.
I have never heard of 13 , 14. & 16 codes what OBD II reader do you have?
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I do not need the National Geographic channel
I just look out the windows of my Land Rover
Discovery code name Romulus
Prefix-N or 1996
Classic Discovery,
RPi remapped ECU
NRP Preformance cats/Y-pipe
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RE: Airborne school - 5/20/2008 7:14:40 PM
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cplthomas
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Sorry, I abreviated the codes. P-1313, P-1314 and P1316. All point to emissions/ignition related.
Coolant is actually fine, I think they were making a guess. I had sea foam in the crank case and it looked like water bubbles. I have sence replaced all that oil and it looke fine.
The heads werent cracked, the head gaskets were (acording to them)
I found the sensor. 60 bucks seems fair to get this things working right, I just want to make sure this is the part I need before sinking more money on useless parts.
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RE: Airborne school - 5/21/2008 4:26:58 AM
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Landzu
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On the codes I just wanted to make sure no one was blowing smoke.
So lets look at what they said,
Coil pack
Cat's,,,02 sensors
Drive belt
New instrument cluster
Head gaskets leaking.
It looks like that you have done everything that was on the list.
If the cat's are pluged up it would not run good sometimes.
The only thing left is the coil pack but thats about $550 (new) so that was why I thought a crank sensor would be the next step.
When you go to a dealership they will wright a estimate for everything you need not just what you want to fix the problem you have at the time.
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I do not need the National Geographic channel
I just look out the windows of my Land Rover
Discovery code name Romulus
Prefix-N or 1996
Classic Discovery,
RPi remapped ECU
NRP Preformance cats/Y-pipe
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RE: Airborne school - 5/21/2008 4:30:15 AM
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Landzu
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It looks like Rover Land Parts has used coil packs for $275 and new ones for $400.
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I do not need the National Geographic channel
I just look out the windows of my Land Rover
Discovery code name Romulus
Prefix-N or 1996
Classic Discovery,
RPi remapped ECU
NRP Preformance cats/Y-pipe
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